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Hmm - Pelagius - Original Sin isn't there - okay, that sounds like a CoC
HOWEVER apparently he ALSO thought you didn't need to get baptized to be saved - oops.

Arminius believed also (as did Pelagius) that people could be saved basically by doing everything right (i.e., 'be ye perfect').

As did - it seems - about half the known Christian heretics in history! Just do everything perfectly correctly!!!! It would have been more helpful if they had agreed on what 'correct' actually looked like.

What's amazing is how these iassorted 'heretical' ideas never seem to go away, but keep popping up over and over again.

Arminius believed also (as did Pelagius) that people could be saved basically by doing everything right (i.e., 'be ye perfect').

So THAT's what that was!! That was killer...truly...in the cofc.

Perfectionism and the cofc go hand in hand.

I remember one of mine and Moogy's "pastors" (hehe ) doing a lot of teaching on those different "false" doctrines, and I really kind of wish I could recall now what they were. Calvinism I can pretty much recall, but not Arminianism, Pelagianism (Pelagius...who dat??? ). I remember, vaguely, "TULIP", but not Amyraldism.

Tell me about Pelagianism. That sounds like the one. I can also google, of course.

My husband (adult convert, while we were dating...so he was motivated, lol) also says the cofcs we knew seemed a bit like the deists, with the distant being out there somewhere who is not really involved with humans, reason and intellect are about all we have, etc.

agricola wrote: ↑Wed Apr 12, 2023 2:38 pm I don't actually think the CoC knows enough about normal Christianity to know WHERE they fit, and therefore they grab ideas from totally opposed actual theological SCHOOLS.

This is exactly the point I wanted to make. Thank you.

My tiny west Texas town has a primitive Baptist Church. It is so small that when I last heard, they only meet once a month. A visiting preacher comes to preach and lead singing. And they definitely have foot-washing, but I have seen that (at Maundy Thursday services) in Methodist churches.

This little town previously had two COCs, regular and no-class. Now they have only the regular, mainline group. There are two Assembly of God churches, English-speaking and Spanish-speaking. I am not sure how many Baptists we have, but there is a Southern Baptist church, a not-Southern Baptist Church (biggest Protestant church in town), a Spanish-speaking Baptist church, a Black Baptist Church, the Primitive Baptists, and possibly more. The Methodists, Presbyterian, and Catholics each have one church each.

Forgive me for asking something that is sort of off the topic of the original post but, Is First Baptist an individual denomination unto its self? Every town that I know of has a First Baptist church among the other Baptist churches such as Missionary, and General.

I believe most churches called 'First Baptist' are part of the Northern Baptists - the group the Southern Baptists split from back in 1845 over slavery.
Let me just check though -

h**s://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Baptist_Churches_USA

That group is now called 'American Baptist Churches USA' I think. They haven't kept the exact same name forever.


HOWEVER - after a far too lengthy deep dive into Baptists in America (good heavens there are a lot of them!) - the actual answer is that

'First Baptist' doesn't mean zilch.

It's just the first baptist church in that particular town, and what SORT of Baptists they are at First Baptist Church Insert City Name Here, depends on whatever Baptist denomination built the first Baptist church in town.

That does, however, bias them toward the OLDER Baptist bunches.

But every 'First Baptist' I personally know of (which - admittedly - isn't a whole lot) has been American Baptist (i.e., Northern, not Southern) and - for Baptists - kind of 'liberal-ish' in the political and social sense of the word.

Which doesn't actually necessarily describe the First Baptist Church Nearest You, wherever that happens to be.

Campbell was an ecumenical leader, I have not seen any Calvinist (predestination) tendencies in what I have read about him. Stone was more of a charismatic with practices more closely related to pentecostals. But like you I haven't read much about Stone recently.