Ex-Church of Christ Support Board

1) How come the coc never talks about current events? I rarely heard sermons on how to live or deal with current events. I'm sure it's even less now, but all I remember is being beaten over the head with sermons on baptism. While other churches talked about things going on in the world and how to live right in that world, coc was doing the regular dunking vs. sprinkling debate.

2) If the woman caught in the actual act of adultery can be forgiven, why can't anyone else? I knew a man who committed adultery and divorced, then remarried. He then became a Christian. He was refused to serve in any manner -- not even allowed to drive the bus -- because ... hell, I don't know why ... something about his sin was renewing. But he repented! He was baptized! Does this mean we're not forgiven of our sins?

1. Making practical application is not their strong point. Practical application brings out grey areas and compromises, whereas COC doctrines and rules are very much black and white, with no room for compromises. Plus, most of the rules are so silly, if you applied them practically, you'd see how goofy they were.

2. I've always seen the women get it harder than the men. Usually the men get off scott free, and the women have to wear a scarlet letter for the rest of their lives.

1. Most CoCers are dolts who know nothing about current events. I remember listening to a guy pray thanking the lord for the continuing world peace we had. Dude was totally oblivious to the fact there were several particularly nasty wars going on at the time (Chechnya and in the former Yugoslavia). The most informed of the bunch get their info from the like last of foxnews and Rush Limbaugh so let's be happy they don't talk about current events too much

2. Because she was told to "sin no more." I remember that being the main point of the story for the CoC. Forgiveness was dependent upon not sinning again. They ignore the fact that Jesus makes a mockery of a BCV interpretation of the bible in this story and offers grace. The story, to CoCers, is about forgiveness being dependent on future perfection.

Around here:

1) Current events and opinions about them are divisive. Unity at all costs! Practice: ignore current events at church, but discuss them all you want with your personal friends, preferably those outside the church.

2) Forgive, but do not forget. You blew it, and we will make sure you don't forget.but of course we forgive you.

illuminator wrote:1) How come the coc never talks about current events? I rarely heard sermons on how to live or deal with current events. I'm sure it's even less now, but all I remember is being beaten over the head with sermons on baptism. While other churches talked about things going on in the world and how to live right in that world, coc was doing the regular dunking vs. sprinkling debate.

2) If the woman caught in the actual act of adultery can be forgiven, why can't anyone else? I knew a man who committed adultery and divorced, then remarried. He then became a Christian. He was refused to serve in any manner -- not even allowed to drive the bus -- because ... hell, I don't know why ... something about his sin was renewing. But he repented! He was baptized! Does this mean we're not forgiven of our sins?

1. Talking about current events may give somebody the idea we might try to do something about said current event. And that wil step on someone's toes and make them shit their pants and throw a fit.
Can't have that.

2. That is stupid. That is like believing God will tell a sinner "I have forgiven your sin and all is well between you and me, but you still have to go to hell" or a governor or president issuing a pardon to a man on death row but saying even though I have pardoned you you still have to go to the firing squad. I call that a false half assed idea of forgiveness.

I taught a teen class in which we discussed current events and how they relate to our life as Christians. The majority of the kids liked it. We got a few complaints from older people who said we should just teach the Bible (read: Bible worship), which I dismissed. We had a couple of kids join our class who kept interrupting my co-teacher and me, calling the class "stupid" and "boring." One of them said they wanted to do "Bible facts," and began this stupid rap type song. I told them to shut up or get out. Guess who got told they were out of line afterward? Never mind that these two were rude and disruptive. I'm the bad guy because I said "Shut up." My co-teacher and I won, though. They quit coming to class and the other kids seemed glad, too.

I vividly remember the Wenesday night bible 'study' when it was just announced the U.S. had entered the Golf War. Half way through the bible class I raised my hand and said to the elder teaching "shouldn't we pray for our soldiers who are going into battle". You could hear a pin drop. That derailed & split the class and they were not happy about it. We never did pray.

I remember at Harding in 2003 during the Run up to the gulf war there were constant prayers to protect US troops and for a successful war. Only one person, the liberal Dr. Elrod, who was kind of a pariah there, prayed that there would be no need for war.

On the evening of 9/11 the COC I attended had a special prayer meeting. Most of the men led prayers. Most of them covered the same points: comfort for the families of the victims, recovery for the injured, and swift retribution for "whoever did this." I got up and prayed for the victims, their families, and the US soldiers, who would most certainly be going to war "somewhere" soon. I also prayed for perpetrators, that they would come to repentance and would not be harmed or killed in any forthcoming retribution by the US military. I was quickly chastised for this last part afterward.

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The only time the CoC I went to ever really had sermons related to current events was when someone famous died. I remember after both Mother Teresa and Pope John Paul II died, our preacher changed his sermons the following Sunday to how they were in hell because they "didn't do what the bible says". They loved jumping at those opportunities to preach about how the CoC is the "one true church" and imply at they're the only ones going to heaven.