http://www.gallup.com/poll/7729/does-mo ... gious.aspx
http://tobingrant.religionnews.com/2015 ... one-graph/
skating a thin line posting - sorry GH - graph supporting (kinda) chrisso's post. I'm gone now.
For Agnostics/Atheists Only - Share your journey
For Agnostics/Atheists Only - Share your journey
History is the fiction we invent to persuade ourselves that events are knowable and that life has order and direction. That's why events are always reinterpreted when values change. We need new versions of history to allow for our current prejudices.
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GuitarHero
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Judaism counts as a believer.agricola wrote:http://www.gallup.com/poll/7729/does-mo ... gious.aspx
http://tobingrant.religionnews.com/2015 ... one-graph/
skating a thin line posting - sorry GH - graph supporting (kinda) chrisso's post. I'm gone now.
Re: For Agnostics/Atheists Only - Share your journey
Judaism is more than 'a religion' and 'belief' is only one part of it. Anyway, I did apologize. I thought you meant 'believer' in the sense of assent to supernatural assertions, i.e., God, miracles, etc. I am certainly a Jew, but I have never actually put forth my specific 'belief' on the board as far as I remember. But for the record, I would probably be classed as weak believer/strong agnostic.
Most days. Some days the agnostic takes over pretty thoroughly. I am quite sympathetic and in agreement with most posts in this thread. Chrisso mentioned studies, and I knew of some links to the supporting graphs. You can thank me later.
Most days. Some days the agnostic takes over pretty thoroughly. I am quite sympathetic and in agreement with most posts in this thread. Chrisso mentioned studies, and I knew of some links to the supporting graphs. You can thank me later.
History is the fiction we invent to persuade ourselves that events are knowable and that life has order and direction. That's why events are always reinterpreted when values change. We need new versions of history to allow for our current prejudices.
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GuitarHero
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So I guess, at this point, this is our only tiny little space on this whole message board? I'm not sure anyone wants New Paths filled up with a bunch of atheist topics... So um... yeah...
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Re: For Agnostics/Atheists Only - Share your journey
This is it, GH. Dissent has been quashed and posts have been edited and deleted. Even on this thread.
Re: For Agnostics/Atheists Only - Share your journey
Well excuse me in advance this time.
New Paths is open to everybody, but it is not a place for discussion or debate. It is where people go and say 'oh, now I'm a Scientologist and I just love it!' and everybody else says 'how wonderful for you!'
so if you want to post there, go ahead, but it isn't a place for debate, or discussion (although people may ask questions ABOUT atheism/agnosticism and those can be answered) - it is definitely not the place to advocate for your New Path and not a place of proselytization (did I spell that right?) People say they are JW's and we say 'how nice' and 'do you enjoy knocking on doors' or they say they are Southern Baptists and we can ask if they ever met Jimmy Carter. Or they share that they enjoyed communion and we ask what the RC church teaches about the Real Presence.
Vanilla.
Lots of support and a little basic education, that's all.
New Paths is open to everybody, but it is not a place for discussion or debate. It is where people go and say 'oh, now I'm a Scientologist and I just love it!' and everybody else says 'how wonderful for you!'
so if you want to post there, go ahead, but it isn't a place for debate, or discussion (although people may ask questions ABOUT atheism/agnosticism and those can be answered) - it is definitely not the place to advocate for your New Path and not a place of proselytization (did I spell that right?) People say they are JW's and we say 'how nice' and 'do you enjoy knocking on doors' or they say they are Southern Baptists and we can ask if they ever met Jimmy Carter. Or they share that they enjoyed communion and we ask what the RC church teaches about the Real Presence.
Vanilla.
Lots of support and a little basic education, that's all.
History is the fiction we invent to persuade ourselves that events are knowable and that life has order and direction. That's why events are always reinterpreted when values change. We need new versions of history to allow for our current prejudices.
Re: For Agnostics/Atheists Only - Share your journey
I moved this thread to New Paths (where it is now) so that only those who are in agreement -- sharing their journey of agnostism/atheism -- can post here. Notice I added "trust in science" as a new path, so you can talk about science here also.
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It seems to me that there is a consensus among the non- believers that we need a safe place where we can talk among ourselves about the things that are important to us, without interruptions by believers who wish to join in, either by discussion or debate.
Do we have permission to have such a space or not? If we do, where is it? And will it be respected?
Clear answers to those questions would be helpful.
Do we have permission to have such a space or not? If we do, where is it? And will it be respected?
Clear answers to those questions would be helpful.
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Here's the deal about that -
Yes it is possible to set up a private group to which only those who ask may enter.
Is that what you want? Because with a private group, you are ONLY talking to yourselves, and people who may be interested can't see what you are all about.
New Paths is a supportive place where people can SHARE their 'new path' and also share what they like about it, and what they do or believe that is different - so a New Paths discussion will be open to questions from people who are not on that path. Sharing means that you can (and probably will) get posts from people who are confused about what you are all about, or object to it by asking blunt questions you've probably already heard a million times before.
I guess the bottom line is, if you ONLY want to post in a private forum on a particular topic, then there are plenty of other online places you could be and probably like better. But if you want to come here and post generally on the support board (being, you know, supportive and getting support) but you also want a safe place here for single topic discussions, then a private forum could be created.
You would also have to decide who you want to moderate that group, and the moderator should be someone at least sympathetic to your group topic, or a member of it whom you trust to be objective. Or if you want moderation at all (the Political Forum is an example of what I am talking about - it is a private group which people must ask to join, and it is not moderated). You may want to set it up so that only your moderator can approve people who ask to join.
As far as I can tell, you comprise no more than maybe five people. Is that enough to sustain a discussion group?
Yes it is possible to set up a private group to which only those who ask may enter.
Is that what you want? Because with a private group, you are ONLY talking to yourselves, and people who may be interested can't see what you are all about.
New Paths is a supportive place where people can SHARE their 'new path' and also share what they like about it, and what they do or believe that is different - so a New Paths discussion will be open to questions from people who are not on that path. Sharing means that you can (and probably will) get posts from people who are confused about what you are all about, or object to it by asking blunt questions you've probably already heard a million times before.
I guess the bottom line is, if you ONLY want to post in a private forum on a particular topic, then there are plenty of other online places you could be and probably like better. But if you want to come here and post generally on the support board (being, you know, supportive and getting support) but you also want a safe place here for single topic discussions, then a private forum could be created.
You would also have to decide who you want to moderate that group, and the moderator should be someone at least sympathetic to your group topic, or a member of it whom you trust to be objective. Or if you want moderation at all (the Political Forum is an example of what I am talking about - it is a private group which people must ask to join, and it is not moderated). You may want to set it up so that only your moderator can approve people who ask to join.
As far as I can tell, you comprise no more than maybe five people. Is that enough to sustain a discussion group?
History is the fiction we invent to persuade ourselves that events are knowable and that life has order and direction. That's why events are always reinterpreted when values change. We need new versions of history to allow for our current prejudices.
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Thank you for clarifying.
I guess as atheists in the minority, it is hard to feel supported among a religious majority. It feels unfair and out of balance. That is what we live with every day. It is not pleasant to experience it here as well.
I guess as atheists in the minority, it is hard to feel supported among a religious majority. It feels unfair and out of balance. That is what we live with every day. It is not pleasant to experience it here as well.